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I hope I can be good girl for you !!
outcall for oversea also fine for me but deposit required .
I do escort for entertainment dancing enjoy party club etc.
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Hi guys, my name is Arianna, I'm young fun and I'm here to have a good time! I’m fairly new to this industry and I’m excited to meet new people and have a good time! 😛
I hope to be able to make your fantasies come true. I'm fantastic company I am very sensual, sweet, funny, intelligent, and incredibly playful and passionate. I'm extremely fun to be around I’m down to earth and have a huge sexual appetite. I have a tight fit toned body and a nice round booty. I’m EXACTLY as advertised my photos are recent and 100% real!
I know how to have a good time, and definitely know how to please and tease 😉So if you would like to have some fun please call me on 0481 322 122. I'm definitely open to new experiences and getting to try all sorts of wild and sexy things.
Rate is $800 per hour OUTCALL only.
I will require you to book an uber return. I accept CASH or instant Pay ID ONLY. Xx
The quickest way to make a booking is to send me a message 0481 322 122 with your
- Name
- Outcall Location
- Booking time & Duration
- Background & Age
and anything else you would like me to know! 💗
Pre-bookings are always preferred.
OUTCALLS ONLY!!
AriannaX 💋
Naughty Party French Mila 👅💦🥳
OUTCALL ONLY
Services Available
- GFE
- PSE
- Couples
- Party Bookings
- Double booking ( mmf - mff )
- Dinner Dates
- Overnight
- Weekend Getaways
- Fly me to you - all expenses on you
- Yacht Parties
- Bucks Parties
- Xmas End of Year Parties
- Boys nights out with group of girlfriends packages
Hey babe bonjour ! 😏
I’m Mila, a naturally gorgeous blonde brown ish 🤪 from France. I am in my early 30 and I have a sexy accent that will make you want to spend time with me from the moment we meet.
I have a gorgeous size 4/6 toned figure and I have gorgeous long hair that falls all the way to my gorgeous natural round bum which is just more than a handful.
I am warm, friendly and I have a great sense of humour.
Behind closed doors you will discover a sultry seductress. I love what I do and I am very, very good at it.
I offer an awesome late-night together. I love to party and will provide you with an unforgettable moment.
You will never forget our time together, i’ll make sure of that 😜
I am pleasure driven and every desire you have I can give to you. I can be cute and submissive, or a dirty little rough queen. I can be your raunchy porn star and your passionate girlfriend all in one.
Come and play with me... 😈
See you soon babe x
TO BOOK PLEASE SEND A TEXT WITH THE FOLLOWING :
NAME
AGE
BACKGROUND
BOOKING TIME
LOCATION
FOR HOW LONG ?
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I will need Uber from Strathfield both way
NO INDIAN ❌
NO PAKISTAN ❌
NO NEPAL ❌
NO ANAL ❌ !!!!!!!!
NO PRIVATE NUMBER 📵
NO NATURAL SEX ❌
NO CAR SERVICE 🚳
NO OUTDOOR SEX ❌
Out/Incall The Real YOUNG pretty private Girl Phoebe
Name: Pheobe
Age: 22 yrs
Size:7
Breast Size: 35 DD
Height" 162 cm
I'm sweet, sexy and cool. I have a natural D-cup breast and curved beauty. long legs and a nice ass. You can tell from the pictures right
Thank you for taking the time to check my site. Spend your time here freely. You can contact me.
I offer complete service and massage. GFE, I can experience a true girlfriend.
My services include
Welcome to my world of passion and desire. Private Independent Escort
A little bit about me I would describe myself as kind and gentle yet very affectionate. I am very open minded as I know I am super kinky and I know how to play.
I always felt I wanted to give more and explore more on my sexual wilder side whilst taking you on the journey with me.
What you will receive is a un-rushed, truly RAUNCHY unforgettable time with me. You’re assured a spicy exotic experience to remember.
My rate:
Girl Friend Experience GFE
$180/30mins
$280/60mins
HEY NAUGHTY MEN
Your favorite hot neighbor is back!!!
I love meeting new people and listening to their stories.
I have been told I am immaculately presentable and more importantly i am friendly and always love to have a chat, and i expect the same from you why So loving you while we both enjoy it to the fullest will be so much more easier and have deeper meaning!!
I'm sweet and soft to the touch but don't misunderstand because I'm also smoking hot when you taste me!
My services include:
Passionate tongue kissing
Sensual tickling and cuddling
Erotic nude massage & body slide with aromatherapy oils
Soapy wet shower or bath for two
Body worship
Fire & Ice blowjob
Ball worship
Ball sucking & licking
Deep throat
Cock spitting
Gagging
Cock massage
Double handed hand-job
Cum in my mouth
Cum on my body
Cum on my tits
Prostate play
Squirting*
Foot fetish & worship
Genuine lesbian licking, sucking & fucking
Toy play
Mutual deep rimming
Spanking
Dress-ups* (Please inquire)
Out-call 1 hour GFE starts from $450+ uber fee
Til we meet…xxx
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30min / $ 180
60min / $ 300
Overnight Rate Available
0utcall rate
60minutes Full service $500up plus uber
Please Note:
Please do not send me derogatory and disrespectful messages.
I am extremely open minded to any service you may be seeking but please send it in a respectful manner otherwise I will think you are wasting my time and will block your number.
HOW TO BOOK ME:
To make a booking, simply text me Your Name, Duration and Time. I will confirm in no time.
PLEASE INCLUDE YOUR
Date of booking
Time of booking
Duration of booking
Impossible to Forget 🩷
A warm, attentive companion offering relaxed, discreet company for gentlemen who appreciate genuine connection.
I host a limited number of bookings to ensure each engagement receives my full attention.
To enquire, please text with:
• Preferred date & time
• Duration
• Location (hotel/suburb)
• Incall or outcall
• Service requested
GFE includes
Cuddling · Kissing · Massage · DATY · Covered BJ · COB · Covered sex
NGFE includes everything in GFE, plus
BBBJ · DFK · Dirty talk · COF · CIM · Light spanking · Rimming · Toys
Text/whatsapp only for bookings please 🩷
24 hrs 🍑 BIG BOOTY BABE 🍑 👀 ULTIMATE GFE 💋 INCALL/OUTCALL AVAILABLE🍓 24 hours!!!
Hello I am Tiana
💋💋 0404 150 956
I’m an independent escort,incall.💋💋
I am highly educated stunning lady with a silky smooth size 7 body featuring natural womanly curves.
I have the most beautiful eyes, the most perfect abs and stunning tight body.
In the room, I love for us to reach a point of true connection with each other, as we lock our eyes and gently start exploring the points that make us tick.
I am unsurpassed in providing my clients with their every desire, whether it be a passionate girlfriend experience or a hot, uninhibited, pornstar fantasy. Our time together will be unrushed, which allows you to experience and savour my special attention and eroticism. Totally fun from beginning to end!
please don't be afraid to discuss your wishes when making your booking.
Full Services:
💏Foreplay,
💏Erottic massage,
💏Shower toghter,
💏Passionate bj,
💏69,
💏Kissing,
💏Oral,
💏Sex with different position,
💏Body slide,
💏Cuddling.
To improve your experience, you can contact me for more detail,
i am a uni student, i can do overnight for 1600. Also party etc..
0404 150 956
Tiana💋💋
💋 Cute Hot Girl💋
HI THERE! PLEASE REFER MY NAME Ella Malaysian girls are lively, cheerful, and full of energy! Their sensitive spots are irresistible to teasing, and their pink, tender mounds are simply irresistible! Not a typical internet celebrity face, but with a full, perky butt? Shy and reserved in front of guys, but open-minded and surprisingly daring? She's your little lamb—simple, straightforward, obedient, and docile—absolutely bursting with novelty! You'll want to hold her in your arms and feel sweet inside. Please book one day in advance, gentlemen. The photos are 100% her own. Please understand that I can't take too many clients a day to provide the best service. If you like voluptuous figures, how can you miss this
service:
Condom blow job ,Sexual intercourse, breast play, massage, breast massage, shower together , spanking, come in face, facial ejaculation, ejaculating on the breasts
extra service:
bbbj+50
69+50
kiss+50
Pls text me 0460855352
!NO MORE PICTURES
! NO BARGAIN
! NO NATURAL SEX
! NO ANAL
! NO COF AND FINGERING
Babe With A Banging Bod
In Sydney for 3 days
Hello my lovers, Im Harlow, your dickstracting playmate and sensual lover. Im an Australian babe with a curvacious toned body and a devilish smile.
I have an intense hunger for pleasure. I’m generous with my affection and have a desire to please.
I provide a Girlfriend Experience, it includes any of the following...
- a teasing massage
- DATY
- mutual oral
- fingering
- 69er
- dress ups and role play
- sex in multiple positions
- cum on body or breasts
- and you are welcome to cum as many times as you like.
For $200 extra I offer a Porn Star Experience that includes any of the following...
- a sexy strip and lap dance
- an erotic body slide
- passionate kissing
- DATY
- mutual natural oral
- BBBJ
- deep throat/ gagging
- 69er
- fingering
- dirty talk
- toys
-dress ups and role play
- light spanking
- wild hard core sex in any position
- cum on body....as many times as you like.
Im located in East Perth in a private apartment
For more information or to make a booking text me on 0423 132 891. Come see me soon X
your Cutie Girl Hazel💕
Real, genuine, young Japanese girl, you get what you see.
NO fake pics, NO bait and switch, NO old grannies hiding behind the door, and NO time waster please!
Soft, sweet, and irresistibly delicate.
, smooth skin, and a naturally sensual aura that draws you in effortlessly.
Gentle, attentive, and eager to please — every touch feels intimate and real.
Keywords: petite, sweet, soft skin, sensual, girlfriend experience
Rates: INCALL
- 15 min $150 ⏱️
- 30 min $200 ⏱️
- 45 min $250 ⏱️
- 60 min $300 ⏱️
RATES: OUTCALL
60 Mins 450 plus uber( deponds on location)
120mins 1000 plus Uber
All Night $2500-3000/8hrs
Together – Rika × Aki
A perfect contrast of sweet & control.
✨ 3P option available (double the rate, triple the FUN!)
Enjoy intimate interactions between both girls, including sensual touches, teasing, and shared moments that blur the line between fantasy and reality.
Cash is the king so CASH PLEASE!💲💲
❌ no anal sorry!
New! Aussie Girl Next Door
Meet Cassie Meadows — sweet, sassy, and just a little bit naughty. Her innocent charm and girl-next-door appeal together with her flirtatious and mischievous nature creates a delicious chemistry thats totally addictive. Expect warm giggles, seductive glances, teasing smiles and moans of desire.
Cassie provides a girlfriend Experience which can include any of the following...
- showering together
- a teasing massage
- passionate kissing
- DATY
- mutual oral
- fingering
- 69er
- dress ups and role play
- sex in multiple positions
- cum on body or breasts
- and you are welcome to cum as many times as you like.
For something a little more spicy and X rated Cassie offers a Porn Star Experience that includes any of the following...
- a sexy strip and lap dance
- an erotic body slide
- passionate kissing
- DATY
- deep throat/ gagging
- 69er
- fingering
- dirty talk
- toys
-dress ups and role play
- rimming
- light spanking
- wild hard core sex in any position
- cum on face...as many times as you like.
Cassie works from a private apartment in East Perth.
For more information or if you would like to make a booking text 0431 761 356
Cassie doesn't see anyone from the subcontinent.
Party Queen Top Model Ella from Singapore
Name: Ella
Breast Size: 35DD
Age: 22
Nationality: Singapore
Height: 162cm
Weight: 48 Kg
size: 6
HI GUYS
your girl next door.
I love meeting new people and listen to their stories.
I have been told I am immaculately presentable and more importantly i am friendly and always love to have a chat.expect the same from you.. why? So physically enjoying loving you will be so much more easier and deeper!!
My services list:
Passionate tongue kissing
Sensual tickling and cuddling
Erotic nude massage & body slide with aromatherapy oils
Soapy wet shower or bath for two
Body worship
Tie & Tease ($30 extra)
Fire & Ice blowjob
Snowballing
Ball worship
Ball sucking & licking
Deep throat
Cock spitting
Gagging
Tea bagging
Face fucking*
Cock massage
Double handed hand-job
Cum in my mouth ($50 extra)
Cum appreciation and swallow ($50 extra)
Cum on my body
Cum on my face* ($30 extra)
Cum on my ass
Cum on my tits
Prostate play
Natural oral on me
Squirting*
Fingering
Foot fetish & worship
Genuine lesbian licking, sucking & fucking
Toy play
Mutual deep rimming
Spanking
Fetish* (Please enquire)
Dress-ups* (Please enquire)
Cum as many times as you can, Ill savor it all
Golden shower giving only ($30 extra)
***All extras: $100 package rate on top.***
Incall to my discreet private place:
Full Service Girlfriend Experience:
30 minutes $180
45 minutes $230
60 minutes $280
Outcall 1 hour GFE starts
$450/1 hour
$850/2 hour
Until we meet xxx
✨ SYDNEY’S FAVORITE FUCKING DOLL ✨
Exclusivity has its price and quality is never up for negotiation. If you’re seeking a refined, classy, and stunning woman who values your time as much as her own, then you’re exactly where you need to be.
Only serious, upscale gentlemen I don’t entertain bargains or budget seekers. Indulge in the experience you deserve.
NEW Mia Valentino
Mia Valentino
Call me Mia.
Latina fire wrapped in silk — confident, captivating, and always one step ahead. I don't chase attention; I command it. I don't compete; I choose.
My body is sculpted, toned, and made to move. Whether it's dancing until sunrise, slipping away before dawn, or turning an ordinary night into an unforgettable memory, I bring energy that's impossible to ignore. I live for bold lipstick, spontaneous adventures, fast cars, and slow-burning chemistry.
I don't do ordinary.
I do unforgettable.
I crave excitement, playful tension, reckless laughter, and the kind of connection that keeps you thinking long after we've said goodbye. Take me somewhere unexpected. Tell me something daring. Show me a side of yourself that nobody else gets to see.
This isn't a fairytale.
It's a temptation.
Swipe right if you're ready for a little trouble — and a night you'll never forget. ✨🔥
genuine photos.Independent touring escort.private and discreet
Hi.First of all thank you for noticing me and checking out my profile. I am an independent touring escort.happy to send current photo to confirm.
I am 26 years old,I am one of the most gracious girls you could meet ... until I get into the bedroom. I am very horny and raunchy and love all services, 69, French kissing, body slide,Doggie, cob, passionate full service. Full girl friend experience,touching and cuddle,
Sex in different positions.
Give me a call baby .TXT.
I also love to wear beautiful sexy underwear, I always make sure myself look amazing with my sexy French glamour wear , stockings, suspenders, and high heels.
I am a independent provider and I take care every minutes of our time, Never rush for you, I enjoy this job and assure you my best and top service.
I am a well trained masseuse and does good Therapeutic Massage services.
I can guarantee the time we share together will be both memorable and exciting!
In meeting me, you will notice I truly enjoy getting to know my lovers on a very personal and intimate level. I am free spirited, very open-minded and believe sexual pleasure is a human right. l have a large sexual appetite and have always fantasized about being a high-class escort and believe I have found my true calling.
😈Young Sexy Succubus Bronya🎉Insane Party lover💕Juicy Pussy💦🔞
💛Hi Gentleman! Your lover Bronya here ~ 21 Y/O Fillipina .. Insanely in love with party and play🔥🔥 xxoo
💙 164cm - 45Kg - 36D boobssss - Shaved pussy - Cock lover !!💙
❤️🫦 And I'm sure that you will receive the same pleasure which will 100% make your dreams come true 🌹 I have the perfect hourglass figure and charming. My soft lips long to seduce and please you, I am sexy by nature that is intense sexy appeal and passionate. I am ready to fulfil all your desires and enjoy having intimate chemistry which comes naturally to me, I love to give and receive pleasure.
🌹 I look forward to getting to know you more intimate and taking our connection to another level.
GFE Service🔥🔥🔥❤️🔥
Cuddling
Mutual natural oral
Different Positions
Shower light role play
mutual masturbation
handjobs different positions
affectionate kissing
foot fetish
sex
$200/30 minutes
$250/45 minutes
$300/60 minutes
If you're looking for someone fun, fit and a little bit flirty I'm the perfect girl to fulfill your fantasies.
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$ 450/ 60mins
Including:
🌹bbbj
🌹tongue kiss
🌹cim
🌹rimming
🌹body slide
🌹deep throat
🌹condom sex dragon service
Outcall from
$450/1 hr + Uber fees
🔥🔥Party Time longer booking welcome
💎💎Text me anytime to ask for more extra's services
🌷 I am here waiting for you! We’ll have great fun hot enjoy time …🔥👅💦
Your Favorite Temptation (GFE,PSE,Party Girl)
Hello everyone! Your Asian Hottie baby girl is here, I am guaranteeing you of a HIGH CLASS service that you well deserve. And I am very much sure that you won’t regret every minute you spend with me.
100 % Real and Clean ✔️
Safety is always must ✔️
Hygienic ✔️
Whatsapp: +61 493 791 076
+ 6149three79oneO76
VIDEOCALL FOR VERIFICATION
Services offered:
➔ Pornstar Experience (PSE):
• Deep, wet, passionate kisses
• Natural blowjob — slow or wild
• Protected vaginal intercourse — soft or animalistic
• 69 & cunnilingus
• Ultra-hot role-play — schoolgirl, policewoman, secretary, latex mistress…
• Toys, fetish accessories, steamy shower together
• Multiple orgasms guaranteed
➔ Girlfriend Experience (GFE):
• Tender moments, cuddles, soft kisses
• Sensual massage, sweet conversations
• Natural flow into an intimate, loving connection
➔ Dominatrix:
• Soft or firm domination
• Commands, handcuffs, spânkïng, mental control
• Submission scenarios, training for a devoted little sub
➔ Choose your universe… or let me guide you.
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*Incalls available for additional cost*
📞 0477 615 561
Ciara Belle – Exotic Sydney Companion
A captivating blend of Spanish passion and British sophistication, I am Ciara Belle – your elegant and alluring Sydney companion.
At 29 years old, with a natural C-cup bust, toned size 8 figure, and warm brown eyes, I take pride in offering an experience that is both sensual and sophisticated. Whether you desire a tender girlfriend encounter or something more daring and adventurous, I create connections that feel authentic, indulgent, and unforgettable.
I am naturally warm, intelligent, and open-minded, with a love for meaningful conversation and genuine intimacy. Outside of companionship, I devote time to my studies, health, and varied interests – ensuring I bring balance, energy, and passion to every encounter.
Available for both incall and outcall bookings, I prefer appointments arranged in advance to ensure I am relaxed and ready to please.
Discreet, professional, and refined – I invite you to step into my world and let me leave you with memories that will linger long after we part.
Ciara Belle xx
Payment Options:
✅ Cash
✅ PayID or Bank Transfer Osko
✅ ATM deposit (cleared pre-booking)
🚫 No unpaid extensions
PAYMENT MUST LAND UPFRONT
Packages Available
• Social Dates
• Dinner Dates
• TW Nude Parties
• Boat Parties
• Bucks Parties
• Couples
• Overnight Bookings
• Fly me to you (FMTY)
Curves, charm and irredutível passion
Confident, sensual, and irresistibly feminine. I’m a mature woman with graceful curves, captivating charm, and a naturally seductive presence.
Educated, artistic, witty, and discreet — I offer refined, intimate experiences tailored for true gentlemen who appreciate elegance and passion.
I enjoy the company of elegant, well-mannered, and discreet gentlemen. I value those who appreciate meaningful conversation, refined moments, and emotional maturity.
If you value chemistry, sophistication, and unforgettable moments, I look forward to hearing from you.
Don't hesitate to contact me.
Luna Belmonte
❤️🔥SEXY YOUNG ELITE LATINA💦
❤️GIRLFRIEND EXPERIENCE LATINA🔥
I am a Sexy Latina Transgirl very Naughty in bed
And a sophisticated Latina
📍 Based in Sydney City | Hosting & Outcalls
::BOOK-ME::
Little more about me 🙂
🫶 LOLA
Age: 23
Nationality: Latina Spanish ( yes I still have the accent)
Height: 165cm and curvy
• Im Hot 👄
• Full Service GFE (Girlfriend Experience)
• I'm so kinky and naughty.
• I'm Lady Mistress and pinkygirl.
• Try me and I will be your weakness. Services
🙂 Available for Incall or Outcall
❤️Latina accent
❤️Beautiful Latina Ts with big cock❤️🔥
❤️uncut, Feminine and confident
❤️Affectionate and attentive
❤️Playful humour and great chemistry
❤️Elegantly and professional
❤️Mommy’s milk (very popular)❤️🔥
⭐️ My Services Include: ⭐️
🔥 GFE – Girlfriend Experience (intimate, affectionate, passionate)
🔥 PSE – Pornstar Experience (wild, uninhibited, naughty fun)
🔥 DFK – Deep French Kissing
🔥 BBBJ – Bareback Blowjob (natural oral)
🔥 CIM —Cum in Mouth
🔥 69 – Mutual oral
🔥 Rimming (giving/receiving)
🔥 Top / Bottom / Vers – I love to please in every way
🔥 Massage – Sensual or erotic body-to-body
🔥 Mutual Touching & Masturbation
🔥 Toy Play & Light Kinks
🔥 Couples Friendly – Open-minded and experienced
🔥 Overnight & Dinner Dates – Classy, elegant companionship
🔥 DIGITAL SERVICE
🥳 🎉 Party & Play 🎉 – For upscale, safe, and mutually respectful sessions with the right
🔥 Weekends away
🔥 Interstate travel
🔥 Fly-me-out arrangements
😈 Overnights highly recommended — the best experiences happen when the night can unfold naturally.
✅ regular healthy check Always
✅Last test negative -
✅ I take prep and doxy pep
✅ I have the monkey vaccine
✅ I have the HPV vaccine
My beautiful girl cum $100
📷PRICES FOR LIVE PHONE SEX OR SEXTING
$80 - 15 minutes ( All Australia)
📹 SELL PACKAGE VERY SENSUAL VIDS $80
📹 I DO SEXTING WITN LIVE PICS, VIDS $80
ACCEPT PAYMENT METHODS SUCH AS
CASH
BANK TRANSFER VIA PAYID
IBAN (Account bank europe) or Wero(payid euro)
💳 Accepting all major credit cards
💵 For Outcall there is a small deposit of $100 which will be deducted from the total payment.
Don't ask my another pics
No answer private number please
Call me anytime for make a booking or
Message me if can't answer
TO BOOK PLEASE TEXT 0450946493 WITH THE FOLLOWING:
NAME:
AGE:
NATIONALITY:
BOOKING TIME:
HOW LONG:
SERVICE REQUIRED:
🚨 Gentleman Only
🚨 No Foul Language
🚨 No Private Numbers
🚨 Any timewasters will be immediately blacklisted
I hope to see you soon, Thank you ❤️
::::: AVAILABLE🔥:::: ANYTIME😈:::::
Ivy Fuckdoll 💎 IN SYDNEY 0410368370
*CURENTLY IN SYDNEY INCALLS ONLY
INCALLS & OUTCALLS
0410368370
Ways to contact - Text - Call - WhatsApp - all using this number
Sexy slut service with juiciest lips 💦
GoldCoast/Brisbane/Sunshine coast
Insatiable is the best way to describe my sexual appetite and thirst 💦 29 years old, Fit, Flawless, and Dangerously Long, Luscious, legs made to be Admired.
Freshly manicured and pedicured always for your enjoyment
I offer services ranging from a standard massage/full service right up to crazy all inclusive sessions (ask about my fu*k Wh*re special).
All outcalls will require a deposit to be paid prior to me leaving my house, this ensures travel costs are met and secure a session. This is non negotiable and if you are not prepared to do this then don't bother
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